Thumbprint
do mei 10, 2012 6:27 pm
Heb dit van een blog, en het is in het Engels, vond dit wel interessant.
Honestly, I had no idea that such massive doses of LSD had been used. I came across a thread describing a "thumbprint" of LSD, a dose based on sticking one's thumb into pure LSD powder and licking it off, an amount equivalent to hundreds of doses, several milligrams of pure LSD (old school doses were typically 100 micrograms, sometimes only 20-50 mcg these days). Several people on the thread had taken this dose, typically described as an initiation of trust into the family of folks who lovingly supply LSD to the clan of deadheads, rainbow gatherings, etc. A substantial amount of selected quotes from several people, mainly two individuals. [note that 1 mg = 1000 mcg]:
What's it like? - It's not possible to describe what it's like. Except maybe DEATH.
What did you see? - ALL
What did you do? - My body did nothing, but lay down. I was no more, just ALL
Eating LSD crystal is intense, magical, crazy and the ULTIMATE ACT OF SUBMISSION TO THE PSYCHEDELIC STATE
You feel it almost instantly. LSD crystal has an energy to it. Having a jar of it in my pocket is enough to alter my consciousness. As soon as it touches your skin or goes in your mouth you can feel it. A lot of folks will throw up within minutes. This is an exorcism of sorts. Like all the negative energy being cast out of your body. Then you lay down and learn. As for the experience I just couldn't do it justice to describe it. You're never the same again. A thumbprint doesn't open the door of perception it blows it off the hinges. You melt into eternity. You let go and die into the moment which is all. There is no you anymore only all. The intensity of this can't be described, but you realize as you're slipping away that it's familiar. This is because it becomes quite clear this is exactly what happens when you die. After an eternity you slowly start to come back in pieces. You feel reborn and a completely different person. You don't ever come completely down or back. This isn't a bad thing, but it's very scary at first.
It is hard to describe a thumbprint. Human language cannot describe an experience that encompasses all of life. Every cell of every creature or living thing that ever lived or will live is connected by the energy or light. When we die our body and our ego is gone. We become one with eternity or the light or God or whatever name you wish to call it. A thumbprint allows this to happen and return to our physical body. My first print I laid down and quickly realized that this was my actual death. You watch the whole process unfold with complete awareness. I didn't cling to my body I just realized my life had passed. As I was spiraling up or out I saw my life evolve through the years I lived. The happiness, the sadness, the people I loved and the people I didn't. The joy that I gave and the pain that I caused. I saw the true nature of reality and why things were the way they were. As I got higher I saw the nature of reality on the cosmic scale and saw that the reason for our evolution was to experience love. To love is to have experienced the finest of life. Then came the moment were it was time to let go. As I did it came for me and I sobbed uncontrollably for I realized that the light or energy we call god or creation was perfect. It was pure unconditional love.
What else could god have been I realized. That glint of innocent perfection in a baby's eye. The light was pure as the heart of Jesus Christ. I dissolved into it and died. Since there was no me only the all, I cannot remember the rest because there was no me to remember. After forever I slowly descended into my body. I spent days awake afterwards talking to myself. I vowed to god to spread LSD so others could see the light. I vowed to look at every person as the lord and treat them as such. I was reborn and continue to live by the values I learned.
LSD is a direct message from God. Period. I don't think we get another chance. We can love each other or we can kill each other, but it is up to us.
I feel high all the time still and it's been years.
I must stress that I was in the company of very evolved and older people that made sure my experiences were optimal. These were kind old spirits that had been where I was going many years before and many times. They held me as a baby every inch of the way.
You have heard of near death experiences right. A thumbprint is a beyond death experience.
It is something one cannot just "decide to do one day" and EVERYONE I know who has done it has had a pretty high LSD tolerance and experience level. It is more a symbol of trust than key to enlightenment as the experience is completely overwhelming and memory is scrambled between acid dream and "reality" with most of it blank. I had persistent imagery for several months and for the following week felt "rode hard and put away wet".
When I showed up at the trailer he had a funny grin on his face and he said "I hope you don't have plans." We went in and his old lady was there, unusual, and she was holding a small watch glass with the crystal spice in it. She said "honey it is time to grow up". They then told me to stick in my thumb and press. By then I was nervously curious and my hands were sweaty so I pulled my thumb free with a generous coating on it. I looked at it and I swear I could feel it starting then I stuck my thumb in my mouth and let go. The first hour or so I think I was in and out of the world then "I" just disappeared for eternity. IMO part of me still is there.
I am facing death due to a botched angiogram and I know I will meet with the part of me which rides the eternal winds when my time is over. I know that death is a mere transition, I know this because I died that day in late '78 and arose again reborn. My priorities of life were refocused and I have been working to integrate the new paradigm of being which was created by that day every since. I think if a lesson or enlightenment came from this it is that I consciously participate in my life to a much greater degree. This is not the "easy' way to live in a world of
injustice and cruelty. I have been forced to accept the balance of positive and negative without imposing my own desire.
And I still must struggle mightily to integrate and exist in this society. My friends old lady said it was time to grow up but she did not say I would outgrow myself. I have absolutely NO regrets although the changes in my mind and thought process have made interfacing with traditional thinking a challenge.
Like China said every day I know I 'thumbprinted" but the funny thing is no matter how you rewire your brain life still brings the same challenges. I still have to stuggle with the challenges but I believe that I may have somewhat more novel solutions to some things than some others, but all in all I am remarkably Ward Cleaver considering.
One last thing, I have experienced literal death (heart stopped) and the irresistibility of death and strong psychedelic experience are quite similar. In Death one realizes the ineffable nature of the experience and resisting is futile, much like resisting a thumbprint, it is just NOT possible.
There is a massive difference between 500mcg and a thumbprint. They're not even comparable trips. As for saturation effect this is from medical research in the 50's comparing doses of LSD. There may not be a noticeable difference between 1000 and 2000 mcg. There is a huge difference between 1000 mcg and 40 or 50 mg. Of course the researchers never ventured into this dosage range.
Usually the person is deemed ready by those who can tell. They are taken care of before and after the print by the family, this may take up to a week before you're functioning again. Sometimes skeptics are printed, but their reactions are usually very, very shattering. It's hard when your whole belief system explodes and the truth is revealed. You basically have to start from scratch. All those years you thought you knew the truth and God, then in a matter of minutes you find you didn't know shit, then you die.
It's affected me on so many different levels. Mentally it has changed my whole outlook on life and my perception of the world. Spiritually it has given me the absolute faith in eternity that can only be had from being eternity. My philosophies are all based on my experiences. I no longer see the world as a bunch of separate species and things, but a connected matrix of biology and energy that flows to and from a core that is the pure light of unconditional love. Physically it's affected me in that you never come back down completely. But why would you anyway? You can't look at the truth and then pretend you didn't see it and that it doesn't exist. A thumbprint is a life long commitment. As for visual activity, it's constant. But I hardly notice it anymore. Eternity is in the here an now. So is my life, so they constantly flow together or against each other. Meditation is key for me now.
I no longer consider my physical reality my true reality.
I guess you could sum it up as Robert Hunter did after his night of 250,000 mcg, "I died 1000 deaths." That's what it really is, death. Most people live their lives unsure about what happens when we die. Even the most devoutly religious have anxiety about the big moment. I don't, I welcome it. That's how it's changed me.
The 50-500 mcg range will saturate the serotonin system however LSD also affects other receptors like dopamine and noradrenaline to a lesser degree, at ultradoses these effects come more strongly into play negating the plateau effect. The difference between 500 mcgs and 10000+ is incomparable as is the mode of ingestion. The change begins as the crystals melt on your tongue and is totally unlike eating a pile of pre-layed paper [blotter]. One senses his imminent ego death coming as the crystals are absorbed into the tongue. The knowledge that you are totally in the care of family is what one clings to as long as concepts such as family contain meaning then one is simply ... gone. When awareness returns it is changed and IMO forever. I have to laugh when Ram Dass says he "came down" - returning to sobriety is not the same as being unchanged. One does come down from a print but NOT UNCHANGED. I have had the privilege of speaking with Ram Dass on several occasions and to this older tripper his "mark" is as clear as if it were painted upon his forehead.
It's a feeling of energy. You feel it instantly. Especially after your first one. Your nervous system jolts to attention as if to say, "here we go."
On a thumbprint size dosage you no longer have any beliefs. There is no you. Reactions can vary on the way up, but soon all your beliefs, attitudes and perceptions completely vaporize along with physical reality. None of it survives a print. There is no I anymore only ALL. Afterwards your beliefs are very different or they may be similar if your beliefs were close to the truth to begin with.
People can bullshit their way through a lot of intense psychedelic experiences. Somehow they can hold onto their twisted ego games sometimes. On a thumbprint that's not even a possibility. You can't bullshit Eternity when it's blasting you to pieces. The more you try to hold on the quicker and harder it burns you. You dissolve and dissolve till there's no you left to hold on.
On a print you can go quietly and easily or you can go kicking and screaming, but you are going to go no matter what.
The thing about thumbprints is that after the first hour there is no you to create fear or trick your body into shutting down. We have taken BP and pulse of people on thumbprint size doses before and there is a slightly elevated BP and heart rate, but not too extreme. These were experienced people though, and there was no fear involved.
We can only speculate as to these hypothesis, as no studies will ever be done. The fact that these doses are usually only done by people ready for them greatly helps that there are so little negative outcomes. That's why I believe prints should be done in the mountains with family and not in a hospital like a lab rat.
One thing I have noticed is at print doses after the first hour when you have been vaporized and are completely gone breathing seems to stabilize. Before that the anxiety and fear have folks breathing like they're in a marathon. After they have let go though it seems that the body continues to function quite normally while there away. It's that first hour that's so traumatic.
There could be a dosage range though that can cause physiological harm. We don't know it and we never will, and people have survived more than a gram [that would be 10,000 x 100 mcg doses].
On a normal large dose of LSD there is the high visual activity, sensory alteration, synesthesia, ego loss, etc, etc. On a thumbprint it feels like you completely short circuit your brain. All cognitive function stops. Like pouring water on a breaker panel it pops, then all connections and activity are fried. The cognitive filter is shut off and eternity is able to creep in. Obviously all brain activity doesn't stop because you keep breathing and your heart keeps pumping. The brain stem, hindbrain, medulla, pons and cerebellum are probably not affected.
http://insanebraintrain.blogspot.com/20 ... print.html
Honestly, I had no idea that such massive doses of LSD had been used. I came across a thread describing a "thumbprint" of LSD, a dose based on sticking one's thumb into pure LSD powder and licking it off, an amount equivalent to hundreds of doses, several milligrams of pure LSD (old school doses were typically 100 micrograms, sometimes only 20-50 mcg these days). Several people on the thread had taken this dose, typically described as an initiation of trust into the family of folks who lovingly supply LSD to the clan of deadheads, rainbow gatherings, etc. A substantial amount of selected quotes from several people, mainly two individuals. [note that 1 mg = 1000 mcg]:
What's it like? - It's not possible to describe what it's like. Except maybe DEATH.
What did you see? - ALL
What did you do? - My body did nothing, but lay down. I was no more, just ALL
Eating LSD crystal is intense, magical, crazy and the ULTIMATE ACT OF SUBMISSION TO THE PSYCHEDELIC STATE
You feel it almost instantly. LSD crystal has an energy to it. Having a jar of it in my pocket is enough to alter my consciousness. As soon as it touches your skin or goes in your mouth you can feel it. A lot of folks will throw up within minutes. This is an exorcism of sorts. Like all the negative energy being cast out of your body. Then you lay down and learn. As for the experience I just couldn't do it justice to describe it. You're never the same again. A thumbprint doesn't open the door of perception it blows it off the hinges. You melt into eternity. You let go and die into the moment which is all. There is no you anymore only all. The intensity of this can't be described, but you realize as you're slipping away that it's familiar. This is because it becomes quite clear this is exactly what happens when you die. After an eternity you slowly start to come back in pieces. You feel reborn and a completely different person. You don't ever come completely down or back. This isn't a bad thing, but it's very scary at first.
It is hard to describe a thumbprint. Human language cannot describe an experience that encompasses all of life. Every cell of every creature or living thing that ever lived or will live is connected by the energy or light. When we die our body and our ego is gone. We become one with eternity or the light or God or whatever name you wish to call it. A thumbprint allows this to happen and return to our physical body. My first print I laid down and quickly realized that this was my actual death. You watch the whole process unfold with complete awareness. I didn't cling to my body I just realized my life had passed. As I was spiraling up or out I saw my life evolve through the years I lived. The happiness, the sadness, the people I loved and the people I didn't. The joy that I gave and the pain that I caused. I saw the true nature of reality and why things were the way they were. As I got higher I saw the nature of reality on the cosmic scale and saw that the reason for our evolution was to experience love. To love is to have experienced the finest of life. Then came the moment were it was time to let go. As I did it came for me and I sobbed uncontrollably for I realized that the light or energy we call god or creation was perfect. It was pure unconditional love.
What else could god have been I realized. That glint of innocent perfection in a baby's eye. The light was pure as the heart of Jesus Christ. I dissolved into it and died. Since there was no me only the all, I cannot remember the rest because there was no me to remember. After forever I slowly descended into my body. I spent days awake afterwards talking to myself. I vowed to god to spread LSD so others could see the light. I vowed to look at every person as the lord and treat them as such. I was reborn and continue to live by the values I learned.
LSD is a direct message from God. Period. I don't think we get another chance. We can love each other or we can kill each other, but it is up to us.
I feel high all the time still and it's been years.
I must stress that I was in the company of very evolved and older people that made sure my experiences were optimal. These were kind old spirits that had been where I was going many years before and many times. They held me as a baby every inch of the way.
You have heard of near death experiences right. A thumbprint is a beyond death experience.
It is something one cannot just "decide to do one day" and EVERYONE I know who has done it has had a pretty high LSD tolerance and experience level. It is more a symbol of trust than key to enlightenment as the experience is completely overwhelming and memory is scrambled between acid dream and "reality" with most of it blank. I had persistent imagery for several months and for the following week felt "rode hard and put away wet".
When I showed up at the trailer he had a funny grin on his face and he said "I hope you don't have plans." We went in and his old lady was there, unusual, and she was holding a small watch glass with the crystal spice in it. She said "honey it is time to grow up". They then told me to stick in my thumb and press. By then I was nervously curious and my hands were sweaty so I pulled my thumb free with a generous coating on it. I looked at it and I swear I could feel it starting then I stuck my thumb in my mouth and let go. The first hour or so I think I was in and out of the world then "I" just disappeared for eternity. IMO part of me still is there.
I am facing death due to a botched angiogram and I know I will meet with the part of me which rides the eternal winds when my time is over. I know that death is a mere transition, I know this because I died that day in late '78 and arose again reborn. My priorities of life were refocused and I have been working to integrate the new paradigm of being which was created by that day every since. I think if a lesson or enlightenment came from this it is that I consciously participate in my life to a much greater degree. This is not the "easy' way to live in a world of
injustice and cruelty. I have been forced to accept the balance of positive and negative without imposing my own desire.
And I still must struggle mightily to integrate and exist in this society. My friends old lady said it was time to grow up but she did not say I would outgrow myself. I have absolutely NO regrets although the changes in my mind and thought process have made interfacing with traditional thinking a challenge.
Like China said every day I know I 'thumbprinted" but the funny thing is no matter how you rewire your brain life still brings the same challenges. I still have to stuggle with the challenges but I believe that I may have somewhat more novel solutions to some things than some others, but all in all I am remarkably Ward Cleaver considering.
One last thing, I have experienced literal death (heart stopped) and the irresistibility of death and strong psychedelic experience are quite similar. In Death one realizes the ineffable nature of the experience and resisting is futile, much like resisting a thumbprint, it is just NOT possible.
There is a massive difference between 500mcg and a thumbprint. They're not even comparable trips. As for saturation effect this is from medical research in the 50's comparing doses of LSD. There may not be a noticeable difference between 1000 and 2000 mcg. There is a huge difference between 1000 mcg and 40 or 50 mg. Of course the researchers never ventured into this dosage range.
Usually the person is deemed ready by those who can tell. They are taken care of before and after the print by the family, this may take up to a week before you're functioning again. Sometimes skeptics are printed, but their reactions are usually very, very shattering. It's hard when your whole belief system explodes and the truth is revealed. You basically have to start from scratch. All those years you thought you knew the truth and God, then in a matter of minutes you find you didn't know shit, then you die.
It's affected me on so many different levels. Mentally it has changed my whole outlook on life and my perception of the world. Spiritually it has given me the absolute faith in eternity that can only be had from being eternity. My philosophies are all based on my experiences. I no longer see the world as a bunch of separate species and things, but a connected matrix of biology and energy that flows to and from a core that is the pure light of unconditional love. Physically it's affected me in that you never come back down completely. But why would you anyway? You can't look at the truth and then pretend you didn't see it and that it doesn't exist. A thumbprint is a life long commitment. As for visual activity, it's constant. But I hardly notice it anymore. Eternity is in the here an now. So is my life, so they constantly flow together or against each other. Meditation is key for me now.
I no longer consider my physical reality my true reality.
I guess you could sum it up as Robert Hunter did after his night of 250,000 mcg, "I died 1000 deaths." That's what it really is, death. Most people live their lives unsure about what happens when we die. Even the most devoutly religious have anxiety about the big moment. I don't, I welcome it. That's how it's changed me.
The 50-500 mcg range will saturate the serotonin system however LSD also affects other receptors like dopamine and noradrenaline to a lesser degree, at ultradoses these effects come more strongly into play negating the plateau effect. The difference between 500 mcgs and 10000+ is incomparable as is the mode of ingestion. The change begins as the crystals melt on your tongue and is totally unlike eating a pile of pre-layed paper [blotter]. One senses his imminent ego death coming as the crystals are absorbed into the tongue. The knowledge that you are totally in the care of family is what one clings to as long as concepts such as family contain meaning then one is simply ... gone. When awareness returns it is changed and IMO forever. I have to laugh when Ram Dass says he "came down" - returning to sobriety is not the same as being unchanged. One does come down from a print but NOT UNCHANGED. I have had the privilege of speaking with Ram Dass on several occasions and to this older tripper his "mark" is as clear as if it were painted upon his forehead.
It's a feeling of energy. You feel it instantly. Especially after your first one. Your nervous system jolts to attention as if to say, "here we go."
On a thumbprint size dosage you no longer have any beliefs. There is no you. Reactions can vary on the way up, but soon all your beliefs, attitudes and perceptions completely vaporize along with physical reality. None of it survives a print. There is no I anymore only ALL. Afterwards your beliefs are very different or they may be similar if your beliefs were close to the truth to begin with.
People can bullshit their way through a lot of intense psychedelic experiences. Somehow they can hold onto their twisted ego games sometimes. On a thumbprint that's not even a possibility. You can't bullshit Eternity when it's blasting you to pieces. The more you try to hold on the quicker and harder it burns you. You dissolve and dissolve till there's no you left to hold on.
On a print you can go quietly and easily or you can go kicking and screaming, but you are going to go no matter what.
The thing about thumbprints is that after the first hour there is no you to create fear or trick your body into shutting down. We have taken BP and pulse of people on thumbprint size doses before and there is a slightly elevated BP and heart rate, but not too extreme. These were experienced people though, and there was no fear involved.
We can only speculate as to these hypothesis, as no studies will ever be done. The fact that these doses are usually only done by people ready for them greatly helps that there are so little negative outcomes. That's why I believe prints should be done in the mountains with family and not in a hospital like a lab rat.
One thing I have noticed is at print doses after the first hour when you have been vaporized and are completely gone breathing seems to stabilize. Before that the anxiety and fear have folks breathing like they're in a marathon. After they have let go though it seems that the body continues to function quite normally while there away. It's that first hour that's so traumatic.
There could be a dosage range though that can cause physiological harm. We don't know it and we never will, and people have survived more than a gram [that would be 10,000 x 100 mcg doses].
On a normal large dose of LSD there is the high visual activity, sensory alteration, synesthesia, ego loss, etc, etc. On a thumbprint it feels like you completely short circuit your brain. All cognitive function stops. Like pouring water on a breaker panel it pops, then all connections and activity are fried. The cognitive filter is shut off and eternity is able to creep in. Obviously all brain activity doesn't stop because you keep breathing and your heart keeps pumping. The brain stem, hindbrain, medulla, pons and cerebellum are probably not affected.
http://insanebraintrain.blogspot.com/20 ... print.html
Re: Thumbprint
do mei 10, 2012 6:33 pm
Ik lees het wel niet. 
Toch geen ervaring met LSD.
Toch geen ervaring met LSD.
Laatst bijgewerkt door Stefaan op do mei 10, 2012 7:08 pm, in totaal 1 keer bewerkt.
Re: Thumbprint
do mei 10, 2012 6:46 pm
zeker een interessant stuk, toch ben ik altijd sceptisch naar mensen die beweren de waarheid te zien/kennen na een psychedelische trip. desalniettemin een zeer interessant stuk
Re: Thumbprint
do mei 10, 2012 7:08 pm
De legendarische thumbprint thread op shroomery met Chinacat en Whiterasta is ook zeker een aanrader.
Het blijft iets zeer intrigerend, maar ik sta er vrij sceptisch tegenover.
De weinige verhalen over thumbprint lijken te eindigen in 'voor de rest van je leven een stukje trippen' semi-psychotische toestanden...
Het blijft iets zeer intrigerend, maar ik sta er vrij sceptisch tegenover.
De weinige verhalen over thumbprint lijken te eindigen in 'voor de rest van je leven een stukje trippen' semi-psychotische toestanden...
Re: Thumbprint
do mei 10, 2012 7:14 pm
Ik ook, mij niet gezien. Kwam tot de helft, vabaf daar allemaal zweverig gedoe. Die mensen doen altijd alsof ZIJ het leven helemaal door hebben en speciaal, slim en elitair zijn. Alsof wij 'normale' mensen van niets weten en ons maar laten leven.
Re: Thumbprint
do mei 10, 2012 7:40 pm
Davinci schreef:De legendarische thumbprint thread op shroomery met Chinacat en Whiterasta is ook zeker een aanrader.
Het blijft iets zeer intrigerend, maar ik sta er vrij sceptisch tegenover.
De weinige verhalen over thumbprint lijken te eindigen in 'voor de rest van je leven een stukje trippen' semi-psychotische toestanden...
heb je een linkje voor mij? ben er niet mee bekend
Re: Thumbprint
vr mei 11, 2012 3:27 am
What's it like? - It's not possible to describe what it's like. Except maybe DEATH.
What did you see? - ALL
What did you do? - My body did nothing, but lay down. I was no more, just ALL
Eating LSD crystal is intense, magical, crazy and the ULTIMATE ACT OF SUBMISSION TO THE PSYCHEDELIC STATE
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaah
ik weet wat dit is !!
ik weet exact wat dit is
What did you see? - ALL
What did you do? - My body did nothing, but lay down. I was no more, just ALL
Eating LSD crystal is intense, magical, crazy and the ULTIMATE ACT OF SUBMISSION TO THE PSYCHEDELIC STATE
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaah
ik weet wat dit is !!
ik weet exact wat dit is
Re: Thumbprint
vr mei 11, 2012 9:00 am
-ArKady. schreef:heb je een linkje voor mij? ben er niet mee bekend
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1427364
Ryan1 schreef:What's it like? - It's not possible to describe what it's like. Except maybe DEATH.
What did you see? - ALL
What did you do? - My body did nothing, but lay down. I was no more, just ALL
Eating LSD crystal is intense, magical, crazy and the ULTIMATE ACT OF SUBMISSION TO THE PSYCHEDELIC STATE
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaah
ik weet wat dit is !!
ik weet exact wat dit is
psychotische talk
hij zegt dat ongeveer niet te beschrijven valt, waarom bestaat taal dan...
Re: Thumbprint
vr mei 11, 2012 9:19 am
Davinci kan als geen ander trips beschrijven 
Re: Thumbprint
ma mei 21, 2012 3:02 am
Davinci schreef:-ArKady. schreef:heb je een linkje voor mij? ben er niet mee bekend
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1427364Ryan1 schreef:What's it like? - It's not possible to describe what it's like. Except maybe DEATH.
What did you see? - ALL
What did you do? - My body did nothing, but lay down. I was no more, just ALL
Eating LSD crystal is intense, magical, crazy and the ULTIMATE ACT OF SUBMISSION TO THE PSYCHEDELIC STATE
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaah
ik weet wat dit is !!
ik weet exact wat dit is
psychotische talk
hij zegt dat ongeveer niet te beschrijven valt, waarom bestaat taal dan...
Om de hieroglyphen te ontcijferen waar alles in verborgen zit., De Egyptenaren deden al hersen operaties duizenden jaren voor jezus (check discovery channel I thought they made a documentary about it) en in 'geschiedenis' boekjes staat het ook vaak zat. Met wat wiskundige kennis kan je al veel ontdekken!
Re: Thumbprint
ma mei 21, 2012 3:13 am
BOOBS schreef:Ik ook, mij niet gezien. Kwam tot de helft, vabaf daar allemaal zweverig gedoe. Die mensen doen altijd alsof ZIJ het leven helemaal door hebben en speciaal, slim en elitair zijn. Alsof wij 'normale' mensen van niets weten en ons maar laten leven.
Dat is ook zo, maar het is niet alsof mensen die te veel LSD doen beter zijn dan jullie. In ieder geval niet door de LSD
.
Re: Thumbprint
ma mei 21, 2012 9:25 am
Lµs. D schreef:BOOBS schreef:Ik ook, mij niet gezien. Kwam tot de helft, vabaf daar allemaal zweverig gedoe. Die mensen doen altijd alsof ZIJ het leven helemaal door hebben en speciaal, slim en elitair zijn. Alsof wij 'normale' mensen van niets weten en ons maar laten leven.
Dat is ook zo, maar het is niet alsof mensen die te veel LSD doen beter zijn dan jullie. In ieder geval niet door de LSD
"jullie"
Re: Thumbprint
vr aug 17, 2012 3:46 pm
Vind het in principe wel interessant, al weet ik niet of ik het ooit ga proberen...
Wat ik wel even wil zeggen is dat het volgens mij niet gaat over dat mensen die dit gedaan hebben 'beter zijn' ofzo zoals sommigen hierboven aangeven, maar het is wel zo dat zij een (waarschijnlijk heel mooie en interessante) ervaring hebben opgedaan die wij niet hebben meegemaakt en misschien ook wel nooit zullen meemaken.
Dat maakt ze niet 'beter' maar misschien hebben ze wel iets zinnigs hierover te vertellen.
Wat ik wel even wil zeggen is dat het volgens mij niet gaat over dat mensen die dit gedaan hebben 'beter zijn' ofzo zoals sommigen hierboven aangeven, maar het is wel zo dat zij een (waarschijnlijk heel mooie en interessante) ervaring hebben opgedaan die wij niet hebben meegemaakt en misschien ook wel nooit zullen meemaken.
Dat maakt ze niet 'beter' maar misschien hebben ze wel iets zinnigs hierover te vertellen.
Re: Thumbprint
za aug 18, 2012 11:24 am
Antifa schreef:Vind het in principe wel interessant, al weet ik niet of ik het ooit ga proberen...
Wat ik wel even wil zeggen is dat het volgens mij niet gaat over dat mensen die dit gedaan hebben 'beter zijn' ofzo zoals sommigen hierboven aangeven, maar het is wel zo dat zij een (waarschijnlijk heel mooie en interessante) ervaring hebben opgedaan die wij niet hebben meegemaakt en misschien ook wel nooit zullen meemaken.
Dat maakt ze niet 'beter' maar misschien hebben ze wel iets zinnigs hierover te vertellen.
Als je een thumbprint nuchter bekijkt, dan kiezen ze ervoor om levenslang te trippen en dagelijks met dingen geconfronteerd te worden die door de maatschappij als psychotisch beschouwd worden.
Lsd heeft altijd de tendens gehad om de tripper te laten denken dat hij 'alles begrijpt' of 'de weg heeft gezien.'
Lsd kan zo'n mooie illusie's creëren
Ik ben redelijk sceptisch over thumbprint scenario's
Re: Thumbprint
za aug 18, 2012 4:44 pm
Naar mijn idee is het niet iets wat je moet doen als je je leven verder wilt leiden in de westerse wereld, omdat maar heeel weinig mensen in de westerse wereld dit kunnen respecteren en zich in de thumbprintende persoon kunnen verplaatsen.
Misschien is het, als je gethumbprint hebt, een beter idee om in een secte te gaan wonen in het bos of op de vlakte van nieuwzeeland in een hobbit kolonie
Misschien is het, als je gethumbprint hebt, een beter idee om in een secte te gaan wonen in het bos of op de vlakte van nieuwzeeland in een hobbit kolonie
Re: Thumbprint
ma aug 20, 2012 5:51 pm
Davinci schreef:Antifa schreef:Vind het in principe wel interessant, al weet ik niet of ik het ooit ga proberen...
Wat ik wel even wil zeggen is dat het volgens mij niet gaat over dat mensen die dit gedaan hebben 'beter zijn' ofzo zoals sommigen hierboven aangeven, maar het is wel zo dat zij een (waarschijnlijk heel mooie en interessante) ervaring hebben opgedaan die wij niet hebben meegemaakt en misschien ook wel nooit zullen meemaken.
Dat maakt ze niet 'beter' maar misschien hebben ze wel iets zinnigs hierover te vertellen.
Als je een thumbprint nuchter bekijkt, dan kiezen ze ervoor om levenslang te trippen en dagelijks met dingen geconfronteerd te worden die door de maatschappij als psychotisch beschouwd worden.
Lsd heeft altijd de tendens gehad om de tripper te laten denken dat hij 'alles begrijpt' of 'de weg heeft gezien.'
Lsd kan zo'n mooie illusie's creëren
Heb zelf ook niet het idee dat je door een thumbprint LSD te nemen ineens alles kan begrijpen, je wordt er ook niet beter van en je moet wat dit betreft ook zeker niet LSD als heilig iets zien ofzo - maar vindt al met al dat de ervaringen wel leerzaam en interessant kunnen zijn, als je er op de juiste manier mee omgaat.
Bedoel eigenlijk alleen maar dat LSD zeker geen heilig sacrament is, maar vindt ook dat je het niet allemaal weg kan schuiven onder 'zweverig gedoe'.
Re: Thumbprint
ma aug 20, 2012 8:44 pm
Ik denk ook zeker dat je onder lsd (heb ik nog nooit gedaan 
) en paddo's (genoeg ervaring mee 
) anders gaat denken dan je nuchter denkt, op een dieper niveau. Je kunt er ook zeker iets van leren, niet echt op een wetenschapplijke manier, maar meer op een etische manier enzo over het leven, hoe je over dingen denkt en dat je op best mooie en goede ideeën kunt komen (mits juist gebruikt, al kan anders gebruik ook leuk zijn )
) en paddo's (genoeg ervaring mee ) anders gaat denken dan je nuchter denkt, op een dieper niveau. Je kunt er ook zeker iets van leren, niet echt op een wetenschapplijke manier, maar meer op een etische manier enzo over het leven, hoe je over dingen denkt en dat je op best mooie en goede ideeën kunt komen (mits juist gebruikt, al kan anders gebruik ook leuk zijn )
Re: Thumbprint
di aug 21, 2012 10:17 pm
Die mannen die thumbprints nemen zijn toch gewoon cool à la Jackass 
Zo van woooooow, die doet da gewoon ofwa?!
Zo van woooooow, die doet da gewoon ofwa?!
Re: Thumbprint
di aug 21, 2012 11:23 pm
Tripkip schreef:Die mannen die thumbprints nemen zijn toch gewoon cool à la Jackass
Zo van woooooow, die doet da gewoon ofwa?!
Nou niet bepaald, ik ben veel liever mijn ballen kwijt als dat ik voor de rest van mijn leven in een hele andere staat van bewustzijn ben dan de rest van de wereld. Je overgevoelig reageert op alle emoties die je tegenkomt en je gewoon in princiepe niet in de westerse wereld kunt leven. Je neemt een groot risico met elke minuut van je verdere leven, zonder ballen of zonder been kun je goed leven tegenwoordig, voor altijd trippend leven niet echt.
Re: Thumbprint
wo aug 22, 2012 3:46 am
De mogelijkheid dat er een enorme hell trip gepaard kan gaan met een thumbprint wordt vaak over het hoofd gezien.
Re: Thumbprint
wo aug 22, 2012 3:57 am
Toch is er iets in me dat mijn interesse hierin wekt, ik heb al eens eerder hier een tripreport gelezen van iemand die meer dan 1 mg gebruikte (sorry ik kan het zogauw even niet vinden). Ik zou best wel eens een soort van 'ultieme trip' willen beleven maar dan zonder dat ik een geestelijk wrak ben de rest van mn leven.
Enfin, ik zie wel hoe het gaat lopen.
Enfin, ik zie wel hoe het gaat lopen.
Re: Thumbprint
wo aug 22, 2012 6:52 pm
Drefbon schreef:Toch is er iets in me dat mijn interesse hierin wekt, ik heb al eens eerder hier een tripreport gelezen van iemand die meer dan 1 mg gebruikte (sorry ik kan het zogauw even niet vinden). Ik zou best wel eens een soort van 'ultieme trip' willen beleven maar dan zonder dat ik een geestelijk wrak ben de rest van mn leven.
Enfin, ik zie wel hoe het gaat lopen.
Ja inderdaad, mij intresseerd het ook wel, maar dat je er je rest van je leven iets aan overhoudt is wat het zo extreem maakt (de trip is ook wel extreem, maar die zou dan vanzelf wel ophouden)
Re: Thumbprint
do aug 23, 2012 12:55 am
Ik heb dan eindelijk mijn eerste LSD-zegeltjes binnen. 
Ik kon het niet meer maken om dit middel nog langer lings te laten liggen
Maar ik ga het natuurlijk wel rustig aan doen, ik vind een k-hole of een DMT-breaktrough al heftig en bijzonder genoeg tot nu toe.
Ik kon het niet meer maken om dit middel nog langer lings te laten liggen Maar ik ga het natuurlijk wel rustig aan doen, ik vind een k-hole of een DMT-breaktrough al heftig en bijzonder genoeg tot nu toe.
Re: Thumbprint
do aug 23, 2012 4:18 am
Davinci schreef:De mogelijkheid dat er een enorme hell trip gepaard kan gaan met een thumbprint wordt vaak over het hoofd gezien.
Dat is zo, maar dat is bij elke trip. Er is altijd wel een kans dat er iets fout gaat.
Alleen is het bij thumbprints natuurlijk zo dat als het fout gaat, het ook heel erg fout gaat, vanwege de dosis. Vindt ik niet echt een reden om het niet te doen.
Voor een trip als deze bereidt je je (als het goed is) mentaal voor, zorg je ervoor dat je in de juiste omgeving met de juiste mensen bent en dat je er niet angstig voor bent, en goed in je vel zit. Dan kan er naar mijn idee niet zoveel fout gaan.
Het is niet echt iets dat je 'ff doet'.
Snap je punt wel verder maar kans op een bad trip hoort nou eenmaal bij psychedelica.
Re: Thumbprint
do aug 23, 2012 10:02 am
Antifa schreef:Davinci schreef:De mogelijkheid dat er een enorme hell trip gepaard kan gaan met een thumbprint wordt vaak over het hoofd gezien.
Dat is zo, maar dat is bij elke trip. Er is altijd wel een kans dat er iets fout gaat.
Alleen is het bij thumbprints natuurlijk zo dat als het fout gaat, het ook heel erg fout gaat, vanwege de dosis. Vindt ik niet echt een reden om het niet te doen.
Je minder in je vel voelen omdat een LSD-trip niet goed afgelopen is, is inderdaad geen reden om het niet te doen. De rest van je leven compleet psychotisch zijn als een thumbprint verkeerd afloopt, lijkt me een sterk argument om er ver weg van te blijven...
Re: Thumbprint
do aug 23, 2012 10:13 am
justmakepeace schreef:Tripkip schreef:Die mannen die thumbprints nemen zijn toch gewoon cool à la Jackass
Zo van woooooow, die doet da gewoon ofwa?!
Nou niet bepaald, ik ben veel liever mijn ballen kwijt als dat ik voor de rest van mijn leven in een hele andere staat van bewustzijn ben dan de rest van de wereld. Je overgevoelig reageert op alle emoties die je tegenkomt en je gewoon in princiepe niet in de westerse wereld kunt leven. Je neemt een groot risico met elke minuut van je verdere leven, zonder ballen of zonder been kun je goed leven tegenwoordig, voor altijd trippend leven niet echt.
Je hoeft het dan zelf ook niet te doen he, dingen die ze in Jackass doen doe je toch ook niet?
Re: Thumbprint
za aug 25, 2012 2:20 pm
Tripkip schreef:justmakepeace schreef:Tripkip schreef:Die mannen die thumbprints nemen zijn toch gewoon cool à la Jackass
Zo van woooooow, die doet da gewoon ofwa?!
Nou niet bepaald, ik ben veel liever mijn ballen kwijt als dat ik voor de rest van mijn leven in een hele andere staat van bewustzijn ben dan de rest van de wereld. Je overgevoelig reageert op alle emoties die je tegenkomt en je gewoon in princiepe niet in de westerse wereld kunt leven. Je neemt een groot risico met elke minuut van je verdere leven, zonder ballen of zonder been kun je goed leven tegenwoordig, voor altijd trippend leven niet echt.
Je hoeft het dan zelf ook niet te doen he, dingen die ze in Jackass doen doe je toch ook niet?
Ik denk dat hij enkel bedoelde dat de vergelijking nogal buiten proportie is, als je moet kiezen tussen een lichamelijke verwonding of elke seconde voor de rest van je leven doodsangsten en krankzinnigheid doorstaan is de keuze rap gemaakt. Over het algemeen zijn die gasten van jackass gewoon blij met het geld dat ze verdienen en de kick. Ieder mens dat thumbprint weet dat er van een kick geen sprake is maar van een drastische aanpassing in je leven voor de rest van je dagen. Wat heb je eraan om 'cool' te zijn als je niet meer kan functioneren?
Re: Thumbprint
za aug 25, 2012 4:29 pm
Ik denk dat je alleen een thumbprint moet doen als je er een soort van ''religieus'' gevoel bij hebt en er ook echt heilig in geloofd. Al betwijfel ik of het verstandig is om met zo'n hoge dosering te gaan klooien
Re: Thumbprint
za aug 25, 2012 9:08 pm
justmakepeace schreef:Ik denk dat je alleen een thumbprint moet doen als je er een soort van ''religieus'' gevoel bij hebt en er ook echt heilig in geloofd.
Dan zou je beter zelfs geen drugs gebruiken
Re: Thumbprint
zo aug 26, 2012 1:22 pm
nouja ik bedoel meer net zoals die oude stammen die bijvoorbeeld de peyote of de paddo als heilig aan schouwen (of ayahuashca ofzo)