2CE en MDMA

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Heeft iemand ervaring met 2c-E met MDMA?

Aangezien dit een wat zwaarder trippy effect heeft dan -B denk ik dat het met afvlakking van de visuals door de MDMA erg interesant kan zijn.
Echter, nu lees ik dat -i opmerkelijk versterkend werkt op MDMA (of andersom?).
Nu vrees ik ervoor dat dit met -E nog wel eens erger zou kunnen zijn, en dat ik straks wat teveel neem.

Peptalk schreef:Om dit topic maar eens omhoog te schoppen:

Heeft iemand ervaring met 2c-E met MDMA?

Aangezien dit een wat zwaarder trippy effect heeft dan -B denk ik dat het met afvlakking van de visuals door de MDMA erg interesant kan zijn.
Echter, nu lees ik dat -i opmerkelijk versterkend werkt op MDMA (of andersom?).
Nu vrees ik ervoor dat dit met -E nog wel eens erger zou kunnen zijn, en dat ik straks wat teveel neem.

Andersom is mijn ervaring.
MDMA werkt sowieso versterkend op 2cb qua ervaringen van mensen die ik gehoord heb en mijn ervaringen erbij opgeteld.

Zou ook theoretisch goed te verklaren zijn.

Je praat over je eigen ervaringen en die van andere, maar ik heb het hier specifiek over 2c-E he?
Dus niet over een andere 2c-x zoals 2cb..
Kom op erowid erg verschillende ervaringen tegen, vooral verschil tussen verschillende 2c'tjes die elk een appart synergie vormen met MDMA..

Heb enkel beschikking tot E dus zou specifiek wat ervaringen daarover lezen..

Ik persoonlijk vond dat de mdma het hele gevoel verstoorde, ik merkte niets meer van de visuals ed. het mdma gevoel was ook maar halfjes maar het rusteloze gevoel en de spanning in mijn spieren bleef. Hierbij moet ik wel zeggen dat er wel een beetje tolerantie voor de mdma was.

Ik heb ong. 20mg 2C-E gesnoven en zo'n 3 uur later 90mg mdma genomen.

boenkeng schreef:Ik persoonlijk vond dat de mdma het hele gevoel verstoorde, ik merkte niets meer van de visuals ed. het mdma gevoel was ook maar halfjes maar het rusteloze gevoel en de spanning in mijn spieren bleef. Hierbij moet ik wel zeggen dat er wel een beetje tolerantie voor de mdma was.

Ik heb ong. 20mg 2C-E gesnoven en zo'n 3 uur later 90mg mdma genomen.

Ik weet niet of dit echt waardevol is 20mg 2C-E snuiven zonder tolerantie zou mij recht door het plafond de ruimte in schieten...
Je mag je alleszins aan een soort candyflip ervaring verwachten in vergelijking met de andere 2c's.
Natuurlijk zal een heel lage dosis 2c-e net hetzelfde doen als de andere 2c's, maar het zou zonde zijn van je 2c-e om dat te doen. Candyflip timing lijkt mij ook een must.
Hieronder een report over de combo 2c-e/mdma aka sparkle flipping

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Sparkle Flipping: The Rainbow Roll

Substance: 2C-E & MDMA (Sparkle flip, I KNOW you wanna call it that too  Or, watch this...Rainbow colors = ROYGBIV, Roy's Roll, Rolls Royce? I dunno but this shit's fun LOL)
Experience Level: I have rolled easily over 100 times, but somewhere less than 300 times. I have taken 2C-E approximately 12 times orally previous to this experience.
Dosage: 16 mg of 2C-E was weighed out and capsuled using a milligram scale. It is white and fluffy, coming from a well-known vendor with no known quality issues. I believe that it is highly pure 2C-E, as the dosages that several friends have taken matches up with the expected effects. I am a bit of a hardhead, especially in terms of psychedelics, so I have found that my dosage range is slightly higher than theirs by a few milligrams.
Over the course of the night, two green naked ladies and one blue playboy ecstasy pills were consumed (no link on blue playboy, known to be clean via test kit...there are quite a few blue playboys on pillreports, but this one isn't a very widely circulated press). Both of these pills are extremely clean and strong.
All substances were taken orally.

Background information: This experience took place on April 4th, 2009 at a San Francisco rave (permitted, not sure I should be posting venues regardless though). Overall, I am in good general health. I consumed 500 mg magnesium oxalate, and I am a daily Adderall XR 30 mg user, though by the time I dosed recreationally, over 14 hours had passed since the Adderall dose. The day of the dose, I ate very little, as I usually do with psychedelics/hallucinogens.
This day, I was excited to be heading to the rave, as I had missed a pretty epic rager the night before. In using these substances, I intended to more-or-less recreate or modify candyflipping, which I have done somewhere around 40 times. The candyflipping experience always arouses a pseudo-religious experience in me; MDMA always brings about great human faith in me, and LSD always tends to make it all the more significant and magical, so I figured that 2C-E would likely be similar. Previous to this night, I had not rolled in approximately 5 weeks.

Time line & experience:
Coming Up
Note: all times are relative. This timeline did not start at midnight, 00:00 simply signifies the time of the first dose.
00:00: I dosed 16 mg 2C-E powder in a capsule. There was really no reason for the capsule besides the fact that I wanted to take it at the rave, and not have to deal with powder. I ended up eating it before leaving my house, along with 500 mg magnesium supplement.
00:20: I arrive at the rave, and am pretty stoked for this party.
01:15: After mingling a bit with some familiar faces and checking out the venue set up, I figured it had been about 90 minutes since I dosed, and decided to take a green lady. Obviously, I was quite off on the time since 2C-E dose. I suspect time dilation is already in play.
01:40: I take another green lady, assuming an hour to have passed (this is my normal ecstasy RoA, take one, another ~60 mins later). Again, time dilation. No other major effects to speak of.
01:50: I feel the beginnings of the speedy rush of the 2C-E (feels a bit different than MDMA, and also a bit too soon for the MDMA to start coming on...read on and you'll agree), but not much else yet.
02:25: Nothing to speak of in terms of rolling. I am beginning to clench my jaw already, and begin the wondrous menthol chain-smoking marathon that I tend to partake in on most substances, especially MDMA and psychedelics. I note that there are barely any actual psychedelic effects, but have faith that it will happen, since I am generally a "late-bloomer" in terms of psychedelics, in that acid takes 90+ minutes for any threshold effects to come on, and 2C-E I found takes about 2 hours, almost on the dot every time I've used it so far.
02:45: The 2C-E has come on quite fast. I am getting a pretty nice body load (I enjoy the 2C-E feel, personally) and am starting to get artifacting effects from the lasers and lights. I start to wander between three of the four rooms, gravitating toward the trance and psytrance rooms, and some hardcore. Dubstep is not for me though, sober or high.

And higher...
03:05: This place is getting absolutely PACKED. The full psychedelia is definitely almost at its maximum. I am still not experiencing much in terms of MDMA roll, and I know these are really good pills, having taken them before. I wonder if the 2C-E has masked the effects? About 25 minutes later, the roll starts coming. I am very familiar with the time line of ecstasy, and it is definitely coming.
03:25: Ahhh, this is what I'm talking about! I am starting to feel the full effects of at least one of those pills. Boundaries between objects begin to bend and dissolve. It is different from the typical hallucinogenic "melting" effects in that the boundary lines between foreground and background objects just sort of gets really fuzzy, rather than melting. The lights reflecting off of everybody look absolutely ridiculous. Can it really be that colorful in here?


Wait, I'm even higher? The peak...
04:30: The previous hour has led to continued intensitification. I am definitely peaking on the 2C-E and MDMA at this point. Trance is absolutely amazing, psytrance is mind blowing. The psychedelic posters move and sway in some abstract dance. I don my trademark blacklight-active painter's mask and Vicks. I start to feel absolutely ecstatic...oh yea, that's why it's called ecstasy, huh. I dance hard, and it's fucking PACKED. This place is absolutely hoppin' tonight. I'm tempted to buy some beer or liquor from the bar here, but I don't see mixing alcohol into the equation as a very good idea.
At some point, I get a lightshow. It's easily one of the very best I've ever seen. I feel that 2C-E is the missing link between me and the spectacle of lights before me. Everything trails for quite a while, and the trails start to run into each other as they build up, leaving behind a sparkly, wonderfully brilliant color that can only be described as what happens to me when I look at bright white objects on acid. It's as if it is every color at once, but pure white energy is the overbearing force. At the same time, nothing is really very white. It is difficult to explain.
05:45: Around this time, I head outside to smoke a cig and cool off. This place is right on the Bay, and it's probably 40°F outside. Really really cold. The drugs do not keep me warm, and the cigarette is honestly not very good tasting. I spit it out and head back inside to dance. I'm a very chatty person right now, typical MDMA effects. The combined effects of triple-dropping some really nice pills and the 2C-E is amazing. Oftentimes I find myself floored from crazy good pills, but the 2C-E adds a speedy effect that keeps me dancing in a sea made of rainbows, and people who just want to enjoy the night, dancing to feel alive...I've reached the point where I love everybody there. 99% of all the people here are rolling balls. Typical rave scene is found, but it all seems somewhat new to me. Lasers seem to be focusing on me all the time, no matter where I am on the dance floor. I rarely need a breather from dancing tonight, though I take a few to talk to some amazing people. The colors continue to dance, even when I paused.
06:45: I take a break outside to smoke some weed outside with a few friends. The visuals seem to subside. 2C-E is very tailored to what you want from it (IME). I wanted to chill out and cool off now, smoke some weed. The distracting visuals and colors take a breather when I do, compared to when I took breathers inside the venue, and wanted the visuals to keep coming. Away from the pounding bass, things seem less magical, but more lucid. Bad thoughts never enter my mind, a bad trip never even hints at showing its face. The blunt is now peach flavored ash, and I head back inside. The effects pick back up immediately, with no less intensity than before. I am still rolling absolute balls.
08:00: As happens many times, the conclusion of the rave is the most emotional and heartfelt, exciting time to dance. The music is amazing, the psytrance pounding into my brain...I dance like it were the last night on earth. Or maybe it wasn't earth.....I don't know, but it's where I like to be.

Comedown? Sort of, end to a great night
08:05: So, the rave ends. After chatting up a few of the DJs/promotors, I drive somebody home. We end up talking in my car for around two or three hours. I am still rolling pretty hard when I get to his house, and music plus additional weed keeps the vibes going. By the time I leave, my visuals are all but gone (not much to see at 7 AM on a dark morning on the freeway), though the roll is still slightly felt. Once I get home I sleep like a fucking rock that's been hit on the head by another rock. The next few days are blissfully relaxing, and I don't really have the post-MDMA depression feelings, or much of a comedown at all to speak of, though my jaw is quite sore the next day...not unusual.


Conclusions: It seems to me that 2C-E delays the process of rolling, but additional experiences will have to be pursued to find out. I definitely did not roll as fast as I usually do, but I definitely rolled at least as hard, probably harder than usual. I will definitely be trying this combination again. The combined effects of the substances don't cancel each other out, nor are they exponentially effective. They are simply cumulative, both existing at the same time. Neither really overrules the other...this is easy to imagine if you have candyflipped with a moderate/reasonable LSD dose.
Music on 2C-E is already quite good, and, of course, music and MDMA are an already perfect cocktail. Combined, these substances yield an absolute paradise for the ears. I cannot say definitively that I experienced synesthesia on this night, or that I have ever experienced it with 2C-E. I have taken up to 20 mg of 2C-E, without a full blown mindfuck trip. I am working up to that...though I know i usually need to eat more psychedelics than those around me to get the same effects. Some people I know have reported feeling "the highest they have ever been" on ~15 mg of 2C-E, whereas I was on 18 mg, not the highest ever, but relatively high.
I am still awaiting that time when I trip epic fucking balls on 2C-E. Next time will be 22 mg. Once I find the sweet spot, I will bring the MDMA back into the equation, for ensured good vibes during the mind blowing rainbow psychedelia.
Sparkle flipping is a good name for this combination. I don't know that this combination is for everybody, but for me, it's pretty perfect. 2C-E has a pleasurable body load to me (as does moxy), but not for other people. I love rolling, and I love psychedelics, and I love combining them. Of course, as I said, not everybody is the same way, so my combined rainbow-orgasm explosion of technolove may not be replicable by everybody, but for those who think that the "candy" in candyflip is not just a name, but more of a property of psychedelics (Sweet!), I definitely recommend this combination, possibly at a lower dose. I am experienced and not a freak out prone guy, and have ample mind to spare.

Sorry that this is so long, this is the first report I've published here. Thanks for reading, please let me know of anything that you find weird, interesting, questionable, etc. I'll comment or clear it up for you. Thanks.

Ik heb het topic even opgesplitst. Het kan namelijk gevaarlijk worden als mensen niet goed opletten en 2CB en 2CE door elkaar halen.

Er is mij verteld 20mg, misschien dat het wat minder is geweest. Ik moet er bij zeggen dat ik ook een biertje of 10-12 ophad. Dit zorgt er vaak voor dat ik minder voel van de middeltjes
Iig 15-20 minuten lopen tranen, zo brandde het in mijn neus

Echter ook nog een bodyload van 2.5 uur, maar dat was niet meer dan normaal zoals ik hier gelezen heb.

boenkeng schreef:Er is mij verteld 20mg, misschien dat het wat minder is geweest. Ik moet er bij zeggen dat ik ook een biertje of 10-12 ophad. Dit zorgt er vaak voor dat ik minder voel van de middeltjes

Minder? Alcohol versterkt bij mij ongeveer alles! MD, coke, wiet, 2c-b,...

Ik vermoed dat de lichamelijke bijwerkingen niet echt tof zullen zijn
Qua trip zou het leuk kunnen worden, 2C-E is een vrij diepzinnige trip die door de MDMA waarschijnlijk nog wel wat extra mystiek mee zou kunnen krijgen. Als je normaal niet misselijk wordt van 2C-E valt het wel te proberen.

De bodyload van 2c-e moet je wel weten te apprecieren. Soms zit hij wel wat in de weg en is de overgang van nuchter naar trippend een helse bedoening.
Set/setting zijn super belangrijk. 20mg 2c-e met 90mg mdma 83% kristal zou ik zelf kiezen.
Het feit dat 2c-e vrij diepzinnig en intens kan zijn, geeft het ook wel perspectief.
Zoals als Einstein al zei met mdma kan dat mystieke ervaringen leveren.
2cb/i/d gebruik ik meer om mdma te versterken en verlengen.
Met 2ce ga je denk ik meer in de richting van candyflip...

Peptalk schreef:Je praat over je eigen ervaringen en die van andere, maar ik heb het hier specifiek over 2c-E he?
Dus niet over een andere 2c-x zoals 2cb..
Kom op erowid erg verschillende ervaringen tegen, vooral verschil tussen verschillende 2c'tjes die elk een appart synergie vormen met MDMA..

Heb enkel beschikking tot E dus zou specifiek wat ervaringen daarover lezen..

Ik had 2cb niet moeten noemen, maar 2ci.
Ik heb met 2ci een ervaring gehad die mij niet lekker viel. Nouja, wel lekker, maar te hard.

Met 2ce nog niet gedaan. Ben benieuwd wat je gaat ervaren.

Alcohol maakt bij mij serieus elke drug minder voelbaar. Nu heb ik ook wel een mega tolerantie voor alcohol. Bingedrinken is het nieuwe borrelen

Heb 10mg 2C-E gesnoven en 150mg MDMA geslikt. Heb eerst de MDMA genomen en half uur later de 2C-E gesnoven (merkte wel dat ik het gesnoven had maar 't was niet dermate vervelend). Volgens mij begon toen net de MDMA te werken en nog geen 10 minuten later begon de 2C-E te werken. Ik vond het allemaal erg prachtig al was ik alles behalve sociaal, ik sloot mijn ogen en heb bijna 3 á 4 uur in mijn gedachten gezweefd. Ben zeker van plan dit weer te doen, wat een intense beleving. De muziek leefde in mijn gedachten, ik lag in mijn woonkamer echter was ik afgesloten van het aardse. Als jullie van progressive trance/house houden wil ik jullie een set aanraden van Jody Wisternoff Intensified may 2013, 't zal natuurlijk allemaal wel persoonlijk zijn maar ik ging daar helemaal los op haha. Ik wil het zeker iedereen aanraden maar sociaal gezien geef ik het een 0 spiritueel een 10. Ben nu m'n volgende trip alweer aan het plannen haha al zou ik dit niet dagelijks en/of wekelijks willen doen.