Poseidon schreef:Dank voor deze bijdrage. Klinkt veel belovend.
- Melatonin in elderly patients with insomnia. A systematic review. (2001)Conclusion: There is sufficient evidence that low doses of melatonin improve initial sleep quality in selected elderly insomniacs. However, larger randomized controlled trials, with less strict inclusion criteria are necessary to yield evidence of effectiveness (i.e. clinical and subjective relevance) in geriatric patients who suffer from insomnia, before wide-spread use can be advocated.
- Sciencebasedmedicine.org - Melatonin for sleep disorders – Safe and effective? (2013)When consumed orally, melatonin is not consistently or extensively absorbed, so individual responses to doses can vary, which complicates dosing. Supplement doses can push blood levels much higher than any levels that can ever been reached naturally. Receptors are highly sensitive to high doses, and their activity decreases as a result, suggesting that long-term supplementation may have unanticipated consequences. It appears to have a good short term safety profile, however, and toxicity reports are rare. Supplement doses range from 0.1 – 10mg with most doses at the lower end of this scale.
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There is also no information to suggest that different brands are equivalent to each other. Given melatonin is inconsistently absorbed, switching brands may affect absorption, and ultimately, effect.
The evidence
Melatonin supplementation does appear to have effects on sedation, fatigue, time to fall asleep and the total sleep duration. Studies are hard to synthesize, given they include big range of doses, a variety of dosing schedules, and a wide number of underlying conditions. The best evidence seems to be for circadian sleep disorders, where melatonin has FDA orphan drug status for this use. Based on the physiologic effects of melatonin, this makes some sense.
For general sleep disorders, the evidence is mixed. There is some tentative support for use in children, however the evidence base used to make this claim is based on an analysis of six small clinical trials, only one of which was in children with sleep disorders without other contributing cause or underlying medical issue (e.g., behavioral disturbances).
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In adults, a 2005 meta-analysis suggested that melatonin would reduce the time to fall asleep by four minutes, while increasing total sleep duration by 13 minutes. Another 2005 meta-analysis drew a similar conclusion: melatonin was well tolerated but not very effective, improving the time to fall asleep by 12 minutes. A 2006 meta-analysis looked at secondary sleep disorders, like jet lag and shift work, and concluded that melatonin offered no meaningful benefits beyond placebo. It could be the short half-life of of the supplement that’s a factor. Show release versions or drug-based variants of melatonin (i.e., ramelteon) could plausibly have more meaningful effects.
Despite the array of doses used, melatonin is well tolerated. The most common side effects reported include daytime sleepiness, dizziness and headaches.
Conclusion
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Regardless of its regulatory status, evidence suggests that melatonin is only modestly effective, and many who use it will not show substantive improvements in their sleep quality. What is clear is while there’s nothing “natural” about taking huge doses of this hormone, it is well tolerated when used for short-term trials.
- Scientists pinpoint dosage of melatonin for insomnia (2001)"According to our research, the physiological dose of melatonin of about 0.3 milligrams restores sleep in adults over the age of 50," said Wurtman, lead investigator in the study. "The adults who would normally wake up during the second and third thirds of the night were able to sleep through the night with the 0.3 milligram dosage."
The researchers also discovered that the typical health food store dosage of melatonin, which is about three milligrams (or 10 times the dosage in the study), is less effective in treating insomnia. In addition, the higher dosage can cause potentially serious side effects, including hypothermia (low body temperature). The study also showed that the higher dosage elevated plasma melatonin levels during the day, which can cause a "hangover" effect in some of the subjects.
"Our study has shown that less is more as far as melatonin is concerned," Wurtman said. "Adult patients who suffer from insomnia and are considering melatonin should consult with their doctor about the appropriate dosage. We have demonstrated that with the correct dosage, melatonin can help an older person experience a restful and uninterrupted night of sleep."
- Talkaboutsleep.com - How to Use Melatonin CorrectlyMistake #2: I can take melatonin at any time.
If melatonin is used during daytime brightness, it can cause adverse effects. If the body clock is receiving conflicting daytime light signals and dark signals from melatonin, it can malfunction and not work properly when it is time to go to sleep later.
Mistake #5: I need to keep taking melatonin.
Sleep experts don’t recommend taking melatonin for more than two weeks at a time. Melatonin is effective as a signal augmenter (reinforcing external cues), or as a tool to help shift sleep and circadian rhythms. Long term use of melatonin indicates a more serious underlying sleep disorder that should be investigated by a sleep professional.
Mistake #6: The dosage amount isn’t important.
The problem with melatonin is that it was discovered long before scientists really understood what it does and how much you need. For example, in the late 80′s and early 90′s, we thought melatonin was a sleep hormone. Now we know it is much more complicated. In addition, tablet sizes average 3-5 mg. New evidence shows that adult males only need 150 micrograms, and the average female needs only 100 micrograms (a microgram is 1/100 th of a milligram). So the average melatonin supplement is 20 – 50 times more than we need! If you are using regular melatonin tablets, you can cut the pill into fourths, otherwise, try to find the smallest pill size available. If you are taking time-released melatonin, do not break the pill, as this will ruin the time-release.
supergabbur schreef:Zal wel aan mij liggen maar ik ben echt te pussy voor melatonine, krijg er hele heftige dromen van ofzo en schrik daarna altijd weer wakker, haha!
- Wikipedia, Lewis, Alan (1999). Melatonin and the Biological Clock. McGraw-Hill. p. 23. ISBN 0-87983-734-9.Some supplemental melatonin users report an increase in vivid dreaming. Extremely high doses of melatonin (50 mg) dramatically increased REM sleep time and dream activity in people both with and without narcolepsy
Claviceps schreef:supergabbur en Frog- Wikipedia, Lewis, Alan (1999). Melatonin and the Biological Clock. McGraw-Hill. p. 23. ISBN 0-87983-734-9.Some supplemental melatonin users report an increase in vivid dreaming. Extremely high doses of melatonin (50 mg) dramatically increased REM sleep time and dream activity in people both with and without narcolepsy
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tablet sizes average 3-5 mg. New evidence shows that adult males only need 150 micrograms, and the average female needs only 100 micrograms (a microgram is 1/100 th of a milligram). So the average melatonin supplement is 20 – 50 times more than we need!
The Dude schreef:maar het is wel echt een must bij jetlags, nightshifts ed. Je normale slaapritme oppakken gaat 3x zo gemakkelijk
A 2006 meta-analysis looked at secondary sleep disorders, like jet lag and shift work, and concluded that melatonin offered no meaningful benefits beyond placebo. It could be the short half-life of of the supplement that’s a factor. Show release versions or drug-based variants of melatonin (i.e., ramelteon) could plausibly have more meaningful effects.
mijn schema:
3mg melatonine IR, 2u voor slapen gaan
6mg melatonine IR, 20min voor slapen gaan + 3-4mg etizolam (of een andere benzo equivalente dosis Bijv. 60-80mg temazepam of 40-60mg diazepam)
En als ik mn bedje in kruip nog 3mg IR melatonine (reden dat het iedere keer 3mg of 6mg is komt omdat ik 3mg pillen heb)
Hoop dat ik hier iemand mee kan helpen, als jullie punten ter discussie hebben hoor ik die erg graag.
Ted Bundy schreef:Mochten quotes van mede df'ers in je onderschrift plaatsen weer 'in' worden. Dan is deze de mijne.
Partypipo schreef:Wat ik me dus afvraagt:
Als slapen op een benzo niks of weinig doet om uitgerust te raken, waarom zou je het dan nemen om te slapen?
Als je niet kan slapen kan je net zo goed nog wat leuks doen. Je bent dan natuurlijk ook niet uitgerust als je uiteindelijk in slaap valt en maar twee uur kan slapen voordat je er weer uit moet, maar dan heb je wel nog al je favoriete series gekeken en 10 levels gespeeld van je favoriete game, ofzo.
Ivo schreef:Hahahahaha, dat vraagt echt om misbruik.
ParadijsVogel schreef:Partypipo schreef:Wat ik me dus afvraagt:
Als slapen op een benzo niks of weinig doet om uitgerust te raken, waarom zou je het dan nemen om te slapen?
Als je niet kan slapen kan je net zo goed nog wat leuks doen. Je bent dan natuurlijk ook niet uitgerust als je uiteindelijk in slaap valt en maar twee uur kan slapen voordat je er weer uit moet, maar dan heb je wel nog al je favoriete series gekeken en 10 levels gespeeld van je favoriete game, ofzo.
Omdat er een verschil is tussen lichamelijk uitrusten en geestelijk uitrusten. Je hebt slaap nodig om je lichamelijke vermoeidheid te herstellen, maar een slechte slaapkwaliteit zorgt ervoor dat je niet "uitgerust" wakker wordt, terwijl je lichaam wel bijgekomen is.
Wat jij voorstelt is wel de beste manier om slaapproblemen creëren!
Ted Bundy schreef:Mochten quotes van mede df'ers in je onderschrift plaatsen weer 'in' worden. Dan is deze de mijne.
Claviceps schreef:The Dude schreef:maar het is wel echt een must bij jetlags, nightshifts ed. Je normale slaapritme oppakken gaat 3x zo gemakkelijkA 2006 meta-analysis looked at secondary sleep disorders, like jet lag and shift work, and concluded that melatonin offered no meaningful benefits beyond placebo. It could be the short half-life of of the supplement that’s a factor. Show release versions or drug-based variants of melatonin (i.e., ramelteon) could plausibly have more meaningful effects.
Meta-analysis houd in het analyseren van de resultaten uit vorige studies. Hierdoor kan een beter beeld gevormd worden in vergelijking met conclusies op basis van individuele studies.
Drefbon schreef:Veel succes en ik hoop dat het je ooit weer gewoon zonder middelen lukt.
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