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Rudolph schreef:Zojuist uitslag van mn speed: 64% amfetamine

fanatikzor schreef:Haha 67^^ op die pepbende ik blij maar wist al langer dat rond zoiets lag nu 100p

FRESH schreef:

fanatikzor schreef:Haha 67^^ op die pepbende ik blij maar wist al langer dat rond zoiets lag nu 100p

Wat LUL jij nou zeg?!?! stumpert!

prototype schreef:

FRESH schreef:

fanatikzor schreef:Haha 67^^ op die pepbende ik blij maar wist al langer dat rond zoiets lag nu 100p

Wat LUL jij nou zeg?!?! stumpert!

Piotr schreef:67p als in 67%? Dat is zeker wel mogelijk.

Poseidon schreef:Ik mag het testcentrum niet meer in omdat ze denken dat ik een smokkelaar ben

Ed Aldus schreef:Misschien geloofde ze het allemaal wel, en hebben ze bij 1 van de 2 (of beide) wat nonchalanter getest.

Overigens, als je ingeleverde sample bv. 64% amfetamine bevat, hoeft dit toch niet te betekenen dat het automatisch versneden is? Kunnen toch ook sporen van grondstoffen in zitten oid?

Einstein schreef:4-MA is geen achterblijfsel van het productieproces, dus waarschijnlijk is het wat anders. 4-MA zouden ze ook wel vermelden, denk ik.

Fool schreef:4-MA wordt in ieder geval wél vermeld bij het testcentrum.

Piotr schreef:

Fool schreef:4-MA wordt in ieder geval wél vermeld bij het testcentrum.

Daar ben ik niet geheel zeker van. Testcentra vermelden niet direct alles. Ze vroegen nog of ik genoeg had aan deze informatie, waarop ik ja antwoordde. Misschien dat ik nog kon vragen wat deze stoffen zouden zijn. Nadat ik een keer de resultaten van een ketamine-sample te horen kreeg werd niet vermeld om welk isomeer het ging. Toen ik hiernaar vroeg liep het gesprek dood.

En zoals reeds bekend hebben de testfaciliteiten een klein budget, zeker als het geen xtc betreft. Kan zijn dat ze deze specifieke bepalingen af en toe achterwege laten.

The level of production, distribution and trafficking
The Netherlands reported that in recent years multiple illicit production sites and/or incidents related to the production of 4-methylamphetamine have been discovered. For example in 2010, production of 4-methylamphetamine was detected in three illicit amphetamine production laboratories. While in August 2011 traces of 4-methylamphetamine were found at amphetamine crystallisation site. However it is unclear whether those involved in the production were aware that they were producing 4-methylamphetamine. According to Dutch intelligence, there are indications that some producers believe that they were attempting to produce amphetamine using the precursor BMK, when they were actually using the precursor 4-methyl-BMK and subsequently producing 4-methylamphetamine (see section 3.8.1 for more information on precursors).

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The bulk of amphetamine produced in the Netherlands is destined for export to other European countries (e.g. Spain, Scandinavian countries, United Kingdom, and Germany). As 4-methylamphetamine has been commonly found in mixtures with amphetamine, as well as detected at illicit amphetamine production laboratories, it is likely that 4-methylamphetamine is being exported to these countries as well. Indeed, the following significant seizures reported by France and Germany have indicated that 4-methylamphetamine has been sourced from the Netherlands:
•  9 kg of yellow liquid was seized in 2011. Analysis confirmed that it was mixture of
4-methylamphetamine and amphetamine. The drugs were transported from the Netherlands via
France to United Kingdom.
•  10 kg of white powder was seized in 2011. Analysis confirmed that it was mixture of amphetamine, 4-methylamphetamine and caffeine. In addition, traces of the precursor 4-methyl-BMK were found. The drugs were seized in rental car as it crossed the border from the Netherlands to Germany. Intelligence in this case suggested that the individual who was arrested had also smuggled a few shipments of amphetamine to Germany and Spain in the previous month.
•  81.7 kg of a white paste was seized in 2011. Analysis confirmed a mixture of 4-methylamphetamine, amphetamine and caffeine (19 %). The drugs were seized in transit to Spain.
•  2.2 kg of a powder was seized in 2012 in Kleve. Analysis confirmed that it contained amphetamine, PMA and traces of 4-methylamphetamine. The seizure took place as the courier was on his way from the Netherlands to Germany.
•  147 kg of a paste was seized in 2012. Analysis confirmed the presence of 4-methylamphetamine, caffeine and amphetamine. The drugs were seized in the area of Lille, which may suggest that it was in transit to the UK. To date this is the largest seizure concerning 4-methylamphetamine that has been reported to Europol.

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In Belgium and the Netherlands it has been hypothesised that the presence of 4-methylamphetamine in amphetamine (‘speed’) samples (see section 3.2.2) is probably due to a change in the precursors used for the illegal synthesis of amphetamine. Alternatively, it has also been suggested that a mixture of BMK and 4-methyl-BMK is being used by illicit labs that have imported the precursors from China/Russia for amphetamine synthesis (30). Information on a sample analysed indicates that amphetamine and 4-methylamphetamine had been probably manufactured in the same batch(a mixed amine dimer was formed from phenylacetone and 4-phenylacetone indicative of the simultaneous presence in the reaction mixture).

Jelles2 schreef:

Piotr schreef:67p als in 67%? Dat is zeker wel mogelijk.

ja dat klopt lees het nu terug, ter verduidelijking: testresultaat van deze week is 67p en 69p, maar het 100p waarover hierboven gesproken wordt, is geen amfetamine in ieder geval[WINKING FACE]. Denk dat er gedoeld wordt op 73p uitgedrukt als 100p

FRESH schreef:

Jelles2 schreef:

Piotr schreef:67p als in 67%? Dat is zeker wel mogelijk.

ja dat klopt lees het nu terug, ter verduidelijking: testresultaat van deze week is 67p en 69p, maar het 100p waarover hierboven gesproken wordt, is geen amfetamine in ieder geval[WINKING FACE]. Denk dat er gedoeld wordt op 73p uitgedrukt als 100p